Comments on: Manning up for the job http://ptlawmom.com/2007/10/26/manning-up-for-the-job/ Full-Time Working Mom/Part-Time Evening Law Student Sun, 27 Jul 2008 09:07:24 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.5.1 By: CM http://ptlawmom.com/2007/10/26/manning-up-for-the-job/#comment-1757 CM Thu, 01 Nov 2007 15:35:10 +0000 http://ptlawmom.com/2007/10/26/manning-up-for-the-job/#comment-1757 That NYT article is disturbing -- but at least it does make sense of all the advice for how women should behave. The advice conflicts because no matter how women behave, they still don't get the corner office. It'll be interesting comparing this perspective to the book. That NYT article is disturbing — but at least it does make sense of all the advice for how women should behave. The advice conflicts because no matter how women behave, they still don’t get the corner office. It’ll be interesting comparing this perspective to the book.

]]> By: PT-LawMom http://ptlawmom.com/2007/10/26/manning-up-for-the-job/#comment-1756 PT-LawMom Thu, 01 Nov 2007 14:59:33 +0000 http://ptlawmom.com/2007/10/26/manning-up-for-the-job/#comment-1756 Great article, Ana. Pink Magazine's latest issue also has a really interesting article using transgender professionals to demonstrate how males are treated one way when male and then, after the change, are treated differently as females. http://pinkmagazine.com/features/2007/Transgender_Nov.Dec.html Great article, Ana. Pink Magazine’s latest issue also has a really interesting article using transgender professionals to demonstrate how males are treated one way when male and then, after the change, are treated differently as females.

http://pinkmagazine.com/features/2007/Transgender_Nov.Dec.html

]]> By: Ana http://ptlawmom.com/2007/10/26/manning-up-for-the-job/#comment-1755 Ana Thu, 01 Nov 2007 14:52:04 +0000 http://ptlawmom.com/2007/10/26/manning-up-for-the-job/#comment-1755 http://www.nytimes.com/2007/11/01/fashion/01WORK.html http://www.nytimes.com/2007/11/01/fashion/01WORK.html

]]> By: PT-LawMom » Learning the Rules http://ptlawmom.com/2007/10/26/manning-up-for-the-job/#comment-1709 PT-LawMom » Learning the Rules Wed, 31 Oct 2007 01:53:04 +0000 http://ptlawmom.com/2007/10/26/manning-up-for-the-job/#comment-1709 [...] Comments ptlawmom on Manning up for the jobShelley on Seriously disturbedJulie Fleming-Brown on Mini Freak-OutLawyer's Right Hand on Seriously [...] [...] Comments ptlawmom on Manning up for the jobShelley on Seriously disturbedJulie Fleming-Brown on Mini Freak-OutLawyer’s Right Hand on Seriously [...]

]]> By: ptlawmom http://ptlawmom.com/2007/10/26/manning-up-for-the-job/#comment-1708 ptlawmom Wed, 31 Oct 2007 00:15:29 +0000 http://ptlawmom.com/2007/10/26/manning-up-for-the-job/#comment-1708 Thank you for elaborating and clarifying, Ms. Meyer. I have discussed this article with colleagues at work and at school and many women are interested in picking up the book referenced in the article so perhaps the book club idea is a good one. It's always helpful to try to understand how those around view the world. Working for mostly men at a large law firm, I see how they treat women and the comments they make behind closed doors. I've seen the double standards, but I sure don't like them and I'm just not certain that change isn't preferable over learning the rules of their game. Thank you for elaborating and clarifying, Ms. Meyer. I have discussed this article with colleagues at work and at school and many women are interested in picking up the book referenced in the article so perhaps the book club idea is a good one. It’s always helpful to try to understand how those around view the world. Working for mostly men at a large law firm, I see how they treat women and the comments they make behind closed doors. I’ve seen the double standards, but I sure don’t like them and I’m just not certain that change isn’t preferable over learning the rules of their game.

]]> By: Mercedes Meyer http://ptlawmom.com/2007/10/26/manning-up-for-the-job/#comment-1681 Mercedes Meyer Mon, 29 Oct 2007 13:47:55 +0000 http://ptlawmom.com/2007/10/26/manning-up-for-the-job/#comment-1681 Regarding talking about kids, you have to know your audience. I have watched women wax on about poopy diapers to gay men and single women and have watched the listenes shut down. Kids are wonderful, but you don't know if the person across from you had an abortion, is currently trying to conceive (male or female) and having problems conceiving, missed their biological clock and now regrets it, or simply is not interested. Treat it like politics and religion. Know your audience. Regarding acting like a man. While that could come through in the article in some regards, that's not what I espouse. You have to know the rules to win. You win, then perhaps you can change the rules. Women are better at some things (e.g, relationship maintenance) than men. Don't stop being good at what you excel at, but know your weaknesses and address them. That's why we started to book club. We are looking for books to help women succeed and excel as professions. It also helps us understand the rules, and the nuances such as male/female differences in linguistics. The goal is to help women to win under the rules. I never said you had to act like a man to do it. But you do have to develop your own brand to distinguish yourself. Regarding talking about kids, you have to know your audience. I have watched women wax on about poopy diapers to gay men and single women and have watched the listenes shut down. Kids are wonderful, but you don’t know if the person across from you had an abortion, is currently trying to conceive (male or female) and having problems conceiving, missed their biological clock and now regrets it, or simply is not interested. Treat it like politics and religion. Know your audience.
Regarding acting like a man. While that could come through in the article in some regards, that’s not what I espouse. You have to know the rules to win. You win, then perhaps you can change the rules. Women are better at some things (e.g, relationship maintenance) than men. Don’t stop being good at what you excel at, but know your weaknesses and address them. That’s why we started to book club. We are looking for books to help women succeed and excel as professions. It also helps us understand the rules, and the nuances such as male/female differences in linguistics. The goal is to help women to win under the rules. I never said you had to act like a man to do it. But you do have to develop your own brand to distinguish yourself.

]]> By: ptlawmom http://ptlawmom.com/2007/10/26/manning-up-for-the-job/#comment-1637 ptlawmom Sun, 28 Oct 2007 00:40:52 +0000 http://ptlawmom.com/2007/10/26/manning-up-for-the-job/#comment-1637 Ana, that's exactly the vibe I got. I think "fitting in" does mean exactly that -- play the game the traditional way -- and I'm not sure that is the answer. Ana, that’s exactly the vibe I got. I think “fitting in” does mean exactly that — play the game the traditional way — and I’m not sure that is the answer.

]]> By: Ana http://ptlawmom.com/2007/10/26/manning-up-for-the-job/#comment-1628 Ana Sat, 27 Oct 2007 19:23:09 +0000 http://ptlawmom.com/2007/10/26/manning-up-for-the-job/#comment-1628 I kind of take issue with, "In order to get ahead, you need to play the game in a traditional manner." I feel like that's basically what the excerpts say. To me the system is broken, needs to be fixed, and this style of play will only serve to perpetuate what we have...and women will continue to leave. I kind of take issue with, “In order to get ahead, you need to play the game in a traditional manner.” I feel like that’s basically what the excerpts say. To me the system is broken, needs to be fixed, and this style of play will only serve to perpetuate what we have…and women will continue to leave.

]]> By: CM http://ptlawmom.com/2007/10/26/manning-up-for-the-job/#comment-1592 CM Fri, 26 Oct 2007 23:24:44 +0000 http://ptlawmom.com/2007/10/26/manning-up-for-the-job/#comment-1592 Interesting. Other than not focusing on your children, it doesn't sound like she's saying anything about hiding who you are or changing to be more manly. Instead, she's talking about being assertive and authoritative, and fitting in with the office culture. It makes sense to me -- I think I'll check that "Nice Girls Don't Get the Corner Office" book out of the library. Interesting. Other than not focusing on your children, it doesn’t sound like she’s saying anything about hiding who you are or changing to be more manly. Instead, she’s talking about being assertive and authoritative, and fitting in with the office culture. It makes sense to me — I think I’ll check that “Nice Girls Don’t Get the Corner Office” book out of the library.

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